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+# piker: trading gear for hackers
+# Copyright (C) Tyler Goodlet (in stewardship for piker0)
+
+# This program is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
+# it under the terms of the GNU Affero General Public License as published by
+# the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or
+# (at your option) any later version.
+
+# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
+# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
+# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
+# GNU Affero General Public License for more details.
+
+# You should have received a copy of the GNU Affero General Public License
+# along with this program. If not, see .
+
+"""
+Clearing system messagingn types and protocols.
+
+"""
+from typing import Optional, Union
+
+# TODO: try out just encoding/send direction for now?
+# import msgspec
+from pydantic import BaseModel
+
+# Client -> emsd
+
+
+class Cancel(BaseModel):
+ '''Cancel msg for removing a dark (ems triggered) or
+ broker-submitted (live) trigger/order.
+
+ '''
+ action: str = 'cancel'
+ oid: str # uuid4
+ symbol: str
+
+
+class Order(BaseModel):
+
+ action: str # {'buy', 'sell', 'alert'}
+ # internal ``emdsd`` unique "order id"
+ oid: str # uuid4
+ symbol: str
+
+ price: float
+ size: float
+ brokers: list[str]
+
+ # Assigned once initial ack is received
+ # ack_time_ns: Optional[int] = None
+
+ # determines whether the create execution
+ # will be submitted to the ems or directly to
+ # the backend broker
+ exec_mode: str # {'dark', 'live', 'paper'}
+
+
+# Client <- emsd
+# update msgs from ems which relay state change info
+# from the active clearing engine.
+
+
+class Status(BaseModel):
+
+ name: str = 'status'
+ oid: str # uuid4
+ time_ns: int
+
+ # {
+ # 'dark_submitted',
+ # 'dark_cancelled',
+ # 'dark_triggered',
+
+ # 'broker_submitted',
+ # 'broker_cancelled',
+ # 'broker_executed',
+ # 'broker_filled',
+
+ # 'alert_submitted',
+ # 'alert_triggered',
+
+ # 'position',
+
+ # }
+ resp: str # "response", see above
+
+ # symbol: str
+
+ # trigger info
+ trigger_price: Optional[float] = None
+ # price: float
+
+ # broker: Optional[str] = None
+
+ # this maps normally to the ``BrokerdOrder.reqid`` below, an id
+ # normally allocated internally by the backend broker routing system
+ broker_reqid: Optional[Union[int, str]] = None
+
+ # for relaying backend msg data "through" the ems layer
+ brokerd_msg: dict = {}
+
+
+# emsd -> brokerd
+# requests *sent* from ems to respective backend broker daemon
+
+class BrokerdCancel(BaseModel):
+
+ action: str = 'cancel'
+ oid: str # piker emsd order id
+ time_ns: int
+
+ # "broker request id": broker specific/internal order id if this is
+ # None, creates a new order otherwise if the id is valid the backend
+ # api must modify the existing matching order. If the broker allows
+ # for setting a unique order id then this value will be relayed back
+ # on the emsd order request stream as the ``BrokerdOrderAck.reqid``
+ # field
+ reqid: Optional[Union[int, str]] = None
+
+
+class BrokerdOrder(BaseModel):
+
+ action: str # {buy, sell}
+ oid: str
+ time_ns: int
+
+ # "broker request id": broker specific/internal order id if this is
+ # None, creates a new order otherwise if the id is valid the backend
+ # api must modify the existing matching order. If the broker allows
+ # for setting a unique order id then this value will be relayed back
+ # on the emsd order request stream as the ``BrokerdOrderAck.reqid``
+ # field
+ reqid: Optional[Union[int, str]] = None
+
+ symbol: str # symbol. ?
+ price: float
+ size: float
+
+
+# emsd <- brokerd
+# requests *received* to ems from broker backend
+
+
+class BrokerdOrderAck(BaseModel):
+ '''Immediate reponse to a brokerd order request providing
+ the broker specifci unique order id.
+
+ '''
+ name: str = 'ack'
+
+ # defined and provided by backend
+ reqid: Union[int, str]
+
+ # emsd id originally sent in matching request msg
+ oid: str
+
+
+class BrokerdStatus(BaseModel):
+
+ name: str = 'status'
+ reqid: Union[int, str]
+ time_ns: int
+
+ # {
+ # 'submitted',
+ # 'cancelled',
+ # 'executed',
+ # }
+ status: str
+
+ filled: float = 0.0
+ reason: str = ''
+ remaining: float = 0.0
+
+ # XXX: better design/name here?
+ # flag that can be set to indicate a message for an order
+ # event that wasn't originated by piker's emsd (eg. some external
+ # trading system which does it's own order control but that you
+ # might want to "track" using piker UIs/systems).
+ external: bool = False
+
+ # XXX: not required schema as of yet
+ broker_details: dict = {
+ 'name': '',
+ }
+
+
+class BrokerdFill(BaseModel):
+ '''A single message indicating a "fill-details" event from the broker
+ if avaiable.
+
+ '''
+ name: str = 'fill'
+ reqid: Union[int, str]
+ time_ns: int
+
+ # order exeuction related
+ action: str
+ size: float
+ price: float
+
+ broker_details: dict = {} # meta-data (eg. commisions etc.)
+
+ # brokerd timestamp required for order mode arrow placement on x-axis
+
+ # TODO: maybe int if we force ns?
+ # we need to normalize this somehow since backends will use their
+ # own format and likely across many disparate epoch clocks...
+ broker_time: float
+
+
+class BrokerdError(BaseModel):
+ '''Optional error type that can be relayed to emsd for error handling.
+
+ This is still a TODO thing since we're not sure how to employ it yet.
+ '''
+ name: str = 'error'
+ reqid: Union[int, str]
+
+ symbol: str
+ reason: str
+ broker_details: dict = {}
+
+
+class BrokerdPosition(BaseModel):
+ '''Position update event from brokerd.
+
+ '''
+ name: str = 'position'
+
+ broker: str
+ account: str
+ symbol: str
+ currency: str
+ size: float
+ avg_price: float